So like do you have any memory of anything that was like, like, like an awakening at an early age that you wouldn't really call it that or, or anything that like, like shook you up?

I had an uncle who was a religious fanatic.

Um, and I knew-- Well, I was a child, so as a child knows an adult as well as you can.

But I knew him for a period in my life and up until 10 years old, and he was-- He lived in Minnesota.

I grew up in California, you know, or you and I met when we were in California.

But, so he was, he was around a few times a year or something, holidays, things like that.

He's one of my favorite uncles as a kid.

Right.