I remember one time we were trying to record Travis Charest.

yeah yeah we wanted to get travis but you know we he was hard to get and when we when we um when we got john to do the last one we we were actually there was like a pool man of like a few different artists that that that this one particular agency was handling and one of them was ted mckeever and i was a really big fan of ted mckeever too and um So we were kind of on a fence with a few different ones.

And I remember I think John Muth and Kent Williams are the ones that we were trying to get and they handled them as well, but they weren't available.

And I remember so they ended up giving us like a list of a few of the ones that were and Van Fleet, one of them.

And, you know, he's, you know, really a oil painter.

And I think I mentioned in another interview before, man, that there's.

he did a draft of like my original idea um a pencil draft man that never did get used and um it got lost in a shuffle man it was like one of those things I smacked myself in the face for not like saving that that sketch he did because he did another complete full layout of of the inevitable collapse on record and you know and it was really really fire um yep gone

The bass player back then, Marcel, like had his thing, you know? And I think that's what kind of made up what Solemn Green evolved into because there's so many eclectic styles within like extremity and metal and other kinds of like extreme ideas within music.