Man, and I remember watching him listening back to it, and he was like, he, [laughs] he turned to us and he was like, "What, are you guys making a fucking new age record or what?" [laughs]

[laughs]Dave's part on Washer, it was super trademark.

Now anyone could say that's familiar with Dave's sort of melodic sensibility and writing and, like, his voice on guitar.

But at the time, you know, this was still something that was developing, and the sort of hypnotic qualities of, of the spiraling material that runs through all the songs.

But Dave's parts really punctuate that song in a way, in the loud solo, sort of like, by his standards, extremely sort of crude and just, like, raucous wailing.

But it was the quieter parts and the, the sort of ascending figure that Dave wrote for Washer, it kind of transformed the song for me just 'cause it's really delicate and kind of otherworldly.

His ability to convey emotion, it seems sort of beyond his age.

[laughs] But I'm so glad that it's kind of locked into where it is.