Well, you knew what Edward was saying was not accurate because you'd talked with your client, Ricky, but how were you able to get him to share that information with the courts?

Yeah, I mean, it was, it's, it's, it's kind of apparent even just from reading the transcripts, uh, that, uh, Ed's final story doesn't really make sense.

I mean, you know, uh, it includes, um, um, him sort of, uh, waving to one of Ricky's co-defendants, Wiley, like, as they are on their way to, uh, commit this murder and robbery.

I mean, there are parts of it that are just, um, uh, uh, uh, pretty difficult to believe.

Uh, but we had asked, uh, Ricky, and when I say we, this is, uh, law students who were working on the case and a private attorney, Carrie Woods.

Um, and, um, they had reached out to Ed, uh, to see if he was interested in talking just in the investigation stage.

At this, at, at this point, uh, you know, Ricky had applied to OIP.

What are your thoughts on the prosecutor extending that offer and then saying that in court?

Okay, so right off the bat, they have some pretty strong leads here, right? So what's going on with the first guy, Dennis Van Steenburg?

They go talk to him.

He says, well, yes, I did have a 25.

I don't know where it went.

It must have fallen out of my car or something like that around the time of the murders.

He said he had found it.

So the police check the pistol to the ballistics of the rounds recovered from the scene, and it's not a match.

So Brian, can you tell us what the Ohio Innocence Project has been doing to fight this case?