
Brian Fitzpatrick
National Research Manager at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, an education policy think tank; author of "High Tech, Low Standards: High School in the Age of Distraction."
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Sep 9, 2026
Too much tech, too little learning? | Episode 1033 of The Education Gadfly Show
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Mike PetrilliHOST
And we should say here, I mean, in some cases, these are their own devices, right? Their own phones or, I don't know, their MacBooks or something, and in some cases, these are the school's devices, right? The Chromebooks assigned to them.

Brian FitzpatrickGUEST
So that's our third finding is that school-issued devices are a big driver in this sort of use.

Brian FitzpatrickGUEST
So many students say, in fact, sixty percent of students say they are on a school-issued device for the majority of class time.

Brian FitzpatrickGUEST
Uh, so just thinking through the ac- actual logistics of watching a YouTube video, while you're not supposed to be watching a YouTube video, you kind of have to think through, you know, social media or texting, you can pull out your phone and kind of, you know, put it to the side where the teacher can't see.

Brian FitzpatrickGUEST
It almost req-- I don't wanna say re- requires, but, like, you need headphones in, uh, probably.