Is this because you see where everything is going with TSMC and Amcor and Intel? Is that why this school is so important right now? Is that part of it at least?

It's absolutely part of it.

You know, we've got in this culture, we've adopted this thinking that if you're real smart and ambitious and capable, you go to college and earn a bachelor's or master's or doctoral degree.

And if you're not quite able to do that, then you go into a trade.

You go into the construction or industrial technologies area.

And that is just we've got to change that thinking.

That's a form of intelligence that even some of us that did well in college don't have.

What is it about Grand Canyon that a student is going to, why they're going to want to go to your law school?

How did you become what made you so successful?

Well, first, we needed a model that could transform the economics of higher education.

The tuitions were going up and debt levels were going up, and it was becoming less accessible.

And so we went to the public markets to get access to capital, and we were determined to build out a very scalable, very large university with multiple ways to deliver it.

We have our campus with 25,000 students.

We have what we're doing online.

It has another 120,000 students.

Is this because you see where everything is going with TSMC and Amcor and Intel? Is that why this school is so important right now? Is that part of it at least?

Is this in part your answer to that concern?

I think there's some of that.

And I, and I, you know, I think we need to understand that, uh, In our opinion, in our view, every vocation is equally honoring in God's eyes, and we want all of our students to feel like they're called into sacred vocations, whether it's engineering or computer science or biology or whatever subject area they're going into.

But lawyers do have an outsized impact on our society.

They're involved in government and in politics and in, of course, the legal system, but they do have an outsized impact on our society and to produce attorneys that understand the foundations of Western civilization and why our society has been so successful and so prosperous and why thousands of people are trying to get in here every single day.

We need to maintain those traditions that produced all this prosperity.

I say frequently that the two greatest ideas in the history of the world are the Christian worldview perspective and the free market economy.

I think when you add the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Magna Carta, would I hear you say we want to get back to truly interpreting the law instead of coming up with ways to legislate from the bench or create from the bench?

Is this in part your answer to that concern?

I think there's some of that.

And I, and I, you know, I think we need to understand that, uh, In our opinion, in our view, every vocation is equally honoring in God's eyes, and we want all of our students to feel like they're called into sacred vocations, whether it's engineering or computer science or biology or whatever subject area they're going into.

But lawyers do have an outsized impact on our society.

They're involved in government and in politics and in, of course, the legal system, but they do have an outsized impact on our society and to produce attorneys that understand the foundations of Western civilization and why our society has been so successful and so prosperous and why thousands of people are trying to get in here every single day.

We need to maintain those traditions that produced all this prosperity.

I say frequently that the two greatest ideas in the history of the world are the Christian worldview perspective and the free market economy.

I think when you add the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Magna Carta, would I hear you say we want to get back to truly interpreting the law instead of coming up with ways to legislate from the bench or create from the bench?

How are you gonna do that?" Uh, now I know, I know the answer to this question, but I want my audience to, to hear a little bit about what you were thinking.

You know, it, it's, uh, the...

It was, it was [chuckles] looking back, people ask me, "Did you see this all coming?" And I said, "Listen, we had, we had learned some things.

We had a plan.

I could have never predicted this.

Uh, I...

The way this thing has turned out, I could have never predicted it." Um, and, and, uh, we're, we're grateful.

But just say a word about that, if you would.

And, you know, it... (laughs) As much as it can seem like it lands on deaf ears, it registers, because here you are.

Yeah, yeah, it's been...

And it was really cool starting out, because I knew nobody in the industry when I started.

I was just doing cold emails to people when Carrot To-Do launched, and I got 26 downloads on the first day.

And with each update to that app and each successive app that I launched, it, it, I got, like, new press outlets covering it, and, and each one did better than, than the last.

And it just, it was cool having that growth a- and being able to feel like the apps were getting more and more successful as time went on.

Fit was actually the one that, that had probably the biggest, like, Carrot Fit, that is, it was a, a weight tracker.

When did it occur to you that Carrot Weather was going to be a smash hit? And then when did it occur to you that, oh, this is a privacy minefield, a minefield that you can navigate, but that privacy is a uniquely, i- is uniquely endemic to the weather app category?