So he went in as a piece of vermin, and yet in the end, and he's nearly eighty, isn't he?

Mm.

He would be.

He, he'd have to be close to eighty if, if not in his early eighties.

And he was at Port Phillip every day that I was there.

Like, as in he never went to another jail.

He didn't go anywhere else.

But, um, y-you were saying it, it becomes very, very difficult to try and manage people because the authority of prison officers is eroded.

Socialists.

Yeah.

They've always ridden us hard at Port Phillip.

We face a lot more scrutiny.

We've got a lot more KPIs to tick off than the government jails.

I speak to my mates in the government system and they can't believe the rigmarole that we used to have to go through at Port Phillip.

We got to the stage where we'd call in the government to move a prisoner from his cell if he wouldn't move because we were not too scared to touch them but The amount of fines and things that went wrong because we had all the litigious prisoners that have to go through G4S or Group 4 as it started off as before the government really got involved with all their legal issues.

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