Um, but, um, what is, how is this gonna transform, um, the public sector? How is it gonna transform the public in terms of what they know, in terms of investigative journalism? Like what, what, what are you already seeing?

So, um, what we're seeing, uh, there's already been a, a few changes.

The, the biggest change is that, um, you know, th- they, they announced an update to this after, I don't know how much of this was already planned, but after our, uh, our request for comment, they announced, um, this update to this, uh, refugee grant program that essentially excluded the previous round of, uh, recipients from further participation in the program.

So these religious NGOs like Church World Service, like USCCB, like Episcopal Migration Ministries, um, they're no longer able to receive the, uh, ORRPC grants.

Uh, and the, uh, you know, maybe that's something that they already had, had in motion.

Uh, I don't know for sure, but that was something that really kind of like made my day.

Um, I think that at a broader level, what's going to happen is that the fruits of all of these transparency laws will actually come to pass, and I think that you may begin to see more and more people turn against the concept of transparency altogether.

Yeah, yeah.

At

least for the stories so far, yeah, they're all entirely public data.

The stories have been like literal crowns in the gutter where they've just been lying there.

And since the Nixon era, there was this idea that, oh, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Surely we will just release all this information and people will be able to criticize the government.

Turns out that's not what happened.

We got kind of drowned in slop.

And centaur teams are worse than AI teams, right? So when we get into that phase of math, I think it'll be very dispiriting or demoralizing to a lot of

So where in your view does this fall apart?

yeah so i think all three steps fall apart you're right to push back in that i mean want is kind of a subjective um phrase a kind of like it's already an anthropomorph anthropomorphization which many of these people do as well but but you know some of them it's actually an internal disagreement it's kind of like you know um how many angels will dance on a pin but they will disagree with each other and some of them will say Yeah, like you said, it's like, oh, they will kill all humans, not necessarily because they're malicious, but because this is an exact example that they give, you know, that if, for example, there's an AI that wants to make more paperclips, they might find some way to kind of transmute human flesh into paperclips.

And that's a verbatim example from one of their scenarios.

So...

You're right in that it's not necessarily this sort of like malevolent, like Old Testament God, but this sort of almost like Lovecraftian type God that wakes up and just doesn't really care about humans at all and kind of inadvertently crushes them in terms of pursuing some goal like more paperclips.

At least in some of their theories, they kind of go back and forth on this.

But I think it's actually a pretty small point in terms of the broader thing that, you know, 99% of people would disagree with them on is whether this kind of AI god will come about in the first place.

Moskovitz was a Facebook founder, is

Is that right?

Yes, exactly.

And, um, they're funded by multiple governments around the world.

So, um, OSCE has funded, uh, 28.3%, that's, uh, 21.8 million, uh, euros by the European Union.

Uh, 17.88 million by, uh, Germany, that's 23%.

Uh, 10 million from Norway, that's 13% of its funding.

Uh, 7 million from the United States, um, that's 7%, and then Sweden, Finland, United Kingdom, and, uh, a bunch of other donors rou- round out the, um, round out the list.

... transition mechanism?

How did you get into AI and what are you currently doing?

Yeah, it was sort of weird.

I was like a normie AI engineer, software engineer.

And I randomly had this like political theory blog blow up.

I was writing a lot about like Leo Strauss and Carl Schmitt and this kind of thing.

And got connected with the Silicon Valley, like political philosophy crew.

And then around 2022 and 2023, AI started to really become a political issue.

Why?

So it's like, it's...

Well, they purport to speak for that.

That's what happens, right? And it's funny because there is a real human nature.

There is a real human principle of things that money can't buy.

And actually normal people are fed up with this.

But it can totally make it seem like that.

And it did make it seem like that for literally dozens of years.

Yeah, well, I

Is there going to be some form of way that humans just like...

Yes, I think it's all resolving now.

I think it's all not resolving to a final conclusion, but a lot of that built up technical debt is now being reevaluated.

And that's the conflict we see.

That's what people are angry on on social media 24-7.

And not all of that is kind of directed in a productive way.

A lot of that is directed towards slop.

Do you think you ever changed those minds?

Yeah, so who are the main beneficiaries then, if not Ukrainians?

So part of the issue is that we don't know that for sure.

So there are a few anecdotes that are actually shared by the contractors themselves or the grant winners themselves, which include, I couldn't find, I obviously didn't watch every single story or every single case study that they presented, but Largely, it was people fleeing the Middle East or people fleeing South America.

I didn't find any mention of Ukrainians in those case studies.

And we don't have an exact accounting of what the breakdown of money spent by country of origin.

origin or by any other factors.

A lot of this, you know, once it goes into the organizations is really opaque and hard to audit.

Yeah, and what can we do to just get these subsidies out completely and make these organizations stand on their own?