I don't think there's anything been achieved really, has there?

No, and I think to the point that you made, Elaine, it was very, very quiet leading up to it.

I didn't hear any of the other organisations coming out and even maybe leaking stuff to say there's nothing happening here.

So, that they'd be wanting to change.

So they'd let something out to say, you know, it's not going well.

You know, it went out there in the paper or on some radio show, whatever, to kickstart it.

That didn't come from any of the organisations that the grassroots members want to change.

are very very strong at all levels at all levels