Like, what's a breakthrough to you?

Well, a breakthrough is anyti- I mean, I've, I've been fascinated with the concept of breakthrough my whole life.

I've had three careers.

My first career, I was a US swimming coach, so I was trying to hel- help young athletes break through to their potential in their sport, but really in their life.

'Cause you don't coach swimming, you coach people.

And then in my corporate career, we were trying to build a breakthrough culture where people are constantly looking to rise, to move forward, to learn something every day.

And so breakthroughs are really about taking steps, right? And then for the last 36 years as a speaker, I've tried to make breakthroughs not only possible for people, but plannable, and that's really what breakthrough leadership is all about.

Mm-hmm.