Yeah.

Um, so yeah.

Anyway, so always been interested in, in, Fisheries ecology, so interactions between fish and fisheries or marine mammals and fisheries and specifically how we can reduce the negative interactions that occur largely through bycatch.

So that really came out of my time fishing early in life when I started catching things accidentally.

And, you know, it's inevitable, like you're going to catch something when you're 13 years old and you're Maybe you've got a mirror lure with two treble hooks and one of the hooks goes in the eye.

Maybe you hook it in the mouth, but the second hook goes in the eye.

You let it go and you can't help but wonder, is that fish going to survive or not? And so I got more and more interested in bycatch specifically because it's something that everybody wants to get rid of.

Any other big conservation success stories for sharks that stand out for you?

Why don't you just let us know who you are and what you do and sort of how you got into this whole game.

Yeah, well, my name is Brendan Talwar.

I'm currently a postdoc out at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UCSD.

So I'm in San Diego.

Love it out here.

I'm from Kentucky.

All right.

Perfect.