And you mentioned brain spotting and just for our audience members who don't know what brain spotting is and heart math, can you give broad based in your terms definitions of those?

Sure.

With brain spotting, what we do is it's based on this idea that trauma, and a trauma is really just anything that you have a strong negative response to.

And so that's a wide variety of things.

But that trauma lives in the deep brain.

It's not in the frontal lobe where we've got language and logical thinking.

And so when we use something like talk therapy, you're only accessing whatever is there in what you remember and what you know and can logic your way through.

okay and what would you tell someone who thinks it's bunk