I'd love to kind of let our listeners hear about your journey, especially your spiritual journey, and how it led to all these different encounters with these other faiths.

Yeah, this could take a while.

I'll try to give you the shortened version.

I'm from upstate New York, actually, Ithaca, New York.

I come from a family that has no academic connections at all.

Parents are factory workers.

And I was raised without religion and raised without spirituality.

So then how has your exploration of other religions now kind of maybe informed your Catholicism or how you look at things differently because of that?