Walk me through kind of that gap, that period of time from musician on stages with big names to the work that you're now doing as a nonprofit leader.

Yeah.

Um, so when you, when you describe those that are, uh, maybe living in a little fear, hesitancy, um, sticking with what's comfortable, I can still resonate with that because I've had seasons in my life where that was the case and even worse.

And, uh, you know, um, I, so I started having, uh, I got married.

Uh, I had my first redheaded boy cause that's all I can make is redheaded boys.

And, uh, I was like, well, okay, the Indiana hip hop money's probably not going to raise a family, you know? And it was, I mean, it was, I was doing it all the time, all full time.

Right.

Now let's get back to the program.