Why is this cycle a problem? It seems like, are we not seeing a symmetrical benefit to defenders here at the same time?

So, hello Rich, thanks for having me first.

And to dive right in, the simplest answer is that AI, we're already seeing this for a while now, essentially amplifies whoever has the cheaper feedback loop or the lower cost of being wrong.

So what that means is criminals have a cost of being wrong, but enterprises or teams on the defense side have a lot bigger cost of being wrong on doing something or not doing something.

A criminal can blast 5,000 phishing emails generated by AI, none of them succeed, oh well, let's try again tomorrow.

we try to defend on something using AI or we try to fix something, suddenly costs us a lot more in terms of time, of effort.

So that's why we're seeing this sad asymmetry of things.

What do you got?