We'll

still be good friends.

And I think it's the same in your career.

Because I remember there was a time when someone referred a role to me.

They said, oh, bossy, this is going to be great for you.

I said, OK, let me talk to the hiring manager.

Let's have some conversation.

But how has disappointment redirected your life in ways that success never could?

How do you make the business case for joy in the language they'll actually use on the job?

Definitely, Andy.

So this is one of my favorite questions.

I love, love, love it because this book is definitely for the skeptical reader, and because I know how to meet people where they are, and that's where the numbers are, right? And I think when you're looking-- Not I think.

I know when you're looking at the numbers, it's not just a short-term gain.

It's a long-term gain that you're looking at within a company.

So if you take, for example, a study that I reference in the book from BCG, there are two main motivational blockers when people do not have joy at work.

Yeah.