It depends on my level of depression, but when I'm depressed, I'm very woo-woo.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's when the spirits call.

I had a dream one night, and I had also been kind of wrestling with some internal stuff, and I was very specifically asking the Great Spirit for a sign.

And so I had this dream that there was a such-and-such flycatcher in a tree, and that it flew up out of its tree, flew over my head, looked at me, and flew back into the tree.

I woke up the next morning and I was like, oh, wow, a bird dream.

That must mean something.

on with the crabs and the lions.

yeah it's a really cool mix I think you you have like and I think like so what kind of folk pop indie music the outdoors and therefore nature kind of go hand in hand totally but how much does nature um play a part for you in your music like how often when you're writing does the two kind of overlap i guess

Yeah, well, I think pre-bird, I grew up on a farm in Tennessee, very rural.

Like, you can't see another house.

There's no paint on our roads.

I grew up just running around in the pasture and being with my horses and watching vultures soar across the sky.

And so...

Um, there's always been a lot of nature and wildlife and Tennessee imagery in my writing.

power do you think that has for kind of, nature i guess by including that in who you are because you'll get some musicians or some artists or comedians whatever kind of um form of art you you'll get them kind of just showing their content or their creative side you won't necessarily always get them showing this passion or this hobby or this other interest do you think that has a power for nature or do you think it's just i mean you might be just doing it just for fun and that's just who you are but do you think it has a power for nature

yeah it's a really cool mix I think you you have like and I think like so what kind of folk pop indie music the outdoors and therefore nature kind of go hand in hand totally but how much does nature um play a part for you in your music like how often when you're writing does the two kind of overlap i guess

Yeah, well, I think pre-bird, I grew up on a farm in Tennessee, very rural.

Like, you can't see another house.

There's no paint on our roads.

I grew up just running around in the pasture and being with my horses and watching vultures soar across the sky.

And so...

Um, there's always been a lot of nature and wildlife and Tennessee imagery in my writing.

power do you think that has for kind of, nature i guess by including that in who you are because you'll get some musicians or some artists or comedians whatever kind of um form of art you you'll get them kind of just showing their content or their creative side you won't necessarily always get them showing this passion or this hobby or this other interest do you think that has a power for nature or do you think it's just i mean you might be just doing it just for fun and that's just who you are but do you think it has a power for nature

song and it just affects me you know the little synapses in my brain musically that i just love it it's i think it's your best song and but something like again like i said sometimes it's hard to listen to because it's just it's just too beautiful

when it's hard you'll know you're close and if you never lose sight you'll be where you

I have those songs for sure that I'm like, ah, I'm not in that emotional space to go there.

Like, I'm not sure that I want to go there right now, my friend.

So I get it.

And I'm honored that it's a song like that for you.

Because I find when I have like a very...

Talk about that

Mm-hmm.

Of course, it's the world.

Of course, it's the Earth.

There's really nothing more beautiful.

So incorporating, um, the birds and the sky and the clouds and the sea and, and, uh, the foliage and the plants, it's, uh, yeah, it's, it's the best kind of inspiration possible.

And there's so many incredible artists, uh, and bird artists and, like, uh, people who, who do it amazingly, like, uh, Liz Fuller.

Mm-hmm.

And so that, "Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na"

Are there other birders at the twitch at the at the at the golden at the green tailed toey?

At the golden great-tailed green-tailed raccoon.

Snake-toed eagle toey.

Yes, actually.

I mean, there's a big group.

There's some cool people.

I also just met a really cool group of birders.

How about that?