Um, I, I, I kind of want to see like what you would say to them that might be the difference between them like kind of being a bleeding heart and being able to create something that has like the fidelity to support a family and like hundreds and thousands of, of people, uh, out, out in the world.

Yeah, I think that cer- certain things come to my mind, like one of, one is something you talked about, being the groundedness.

Like how did I become more grounded? Uh, there was a certain point where I felt more grounded, more zen, more confident and comfortable with who I am.

I, I've always been a confident person, but there's definitely a more comfortableness with who I am, right? So a, a good example of that is that for years I've been overweight.

I had body image issues, but now like I'm way more comfortable with my body, way more comfortable with, you know, taking my shirt off in public and things like that, something I hadn't done for 20 years.

And so I think there's an aspect of groundedness because a lot of people who, uh, let's say, have lots of love or have lots of heart or have lots of emotions, sometimes they have trouble being grounded.

And how'd I get grounded? Well, um, therapy, counseling, perspective, working on my empathy muscles, having the right support network.

Um, how has the, like the last few years impacted you, and how do you, like what makes you choose to say like, "Hey, I'm still gonna stand behind all this"?

What is the most common reason you think that business owners or leaders end up feeling like that in life?

Good question.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think it comes down to mindset.

You know, they're too afraid to ask for help.

They don't have clarity on what they're doing because they're following a path that they think is fine or makes sense to them, but they haven't actually thought about their target audience.

And personal branding even helps with mindset because when you have clarity and more focus, it's actually better for you.

A lot of people don't want to, like I often offer people an audit of their business.

How have you found it?