First off, you know, what was your college career like, and where did you expect them to get drafted?

Well, I, I went to the University of Kansas and, and at that time it was the Big Eight.

And y- as you know, it was Nebraska, Oklahoma, and, uh, and you know, all we did was run the ball.

I think my first year I only had, like, 12 catches.

[laughs] I think my second year I only had, like, maybe 20 or 30.

But then we brought in a new coach, Mike Godfrey, and he bought in, brought in the spread game, and that's how I ended up catching all those balls and getting, kind of getting noticed a little bit.

I think the Giants helped you get it back?

Look, actually, like I say, I w- I was at work one day and my, and my phone rang, and it was Coach.

Go ahead, Bobby.

Well, you know, I've been racing for a long time, you know, and I, you know, I, I know what I go through, and I know what people go through just from my experiences.

And then, you know, paddling with Matt, and, and I know what he's going through back there or in front of me when we're paddling.

You know, with muscle, you know, not being able to eat or drink at times and, uh, you know, the back problems or whatever.

Seeing him overcome these things, when you watch people overcome, you know, tough scenarios, it gives you a lot of respect for the person, you know? And, and when he is feeling good, him and I paddle really well together, and we get along really well together.

So when you have all that combined, you're, you're a team, for s- for sure.

And if you're looking to do a race, you know, in the future, Matt is a good person to wanna do the race with.

Lake Dam

What is the most meaningful tattoo to you that you have ever done?

The very first one that came to my head right now, I think this is the one.

And, and, and if I'm, if I'm, if I'm like, if there's a ta- I'd, sure there's, there's so many, but there's one, and she's such a good person, such a good client.

There's one that I tattooed, I tattooed her chest.

And I remember her, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna try and make this story as fast as I can.

Not gonna cry when I tell this story.

I do, when I tell this all the time, I tell it in my seminars all the time.

Yeah.

In job interviews, how do these guys disguise who they really are and where they really are?

Yeah.

So, we'll, we'll go through the scam a little bit.

So what they do is first of all, they steal an identity.

So they get hold of someone's ID, their personal details, their social security number.

They make a resume up that says, you know, they know how to do this, they know how to do that, they know how to code websites, whatever it is that the jobs requiring.

They'll then get on to an interview, uh, talking over a video like this.

And help, they need help on the state side, don't they? There are all sorts of federal forms that have to be filled out and signed.

Late last year, Bobby had been hearing about people using AI to run scams, and he decided to see if there was anything there.

And so one evening, I, I bumped into this young entrepreneur called Simon Weichmans at an event in San Francisco.

And I shared with him what I'd heard about and asked if he'd heard about anything.

And he said, "Well, you'll never guess what happened to me recently." And it turned out that Simon runs a web security company, and he'd been interviewing people for a software engineering job, a remote software engineering job, so people not based, um, near HQ.

And in the interviewing, he'd seen a bunch of deeply suspicious activity.

You know, he was worried that people were trying to fraudulently get jobs or something.

And it turned out to be far more complicated and weirder than, than we expected.

apparent.How does this work (laughs), and to what degree is this going on?