Tell us all about your own childhood and how you got through that.

Yeah.

So I mean, if I start from the very beginning, I guess my, my mum had me at the age of 19, um, went on to have three boys.

And, uh, I guess things just weren't that easy in the house growing up.

Um, my, my, my dad, uh, worked f- most of the time as a scaffolder.

My mum had two jobs, so she would sort of get up and get us into school, go into town, work in Burtons, the menswear shop, and then come back, pick us up from school, and go out in the evening, do cleaning jobs.

So it was quite a sort of stressful household, and, uh, there were sort of three unruly b- boys in it as well really.

but to, to enable it to happen in more cases than it is?