Okay, how are you determined whether you, the judgment of who is a good leader and who is not a good leader? And no one'll say, "Well, I'm not gonna even..." But tell me, anybody.

I think a lot of it is perspective.

Um, you can have a great leader who's, who's doing what they know they need to do, and the people that are inside the situation agree with that.

Then you have people outside of the situation who don't have all the information, and they're gonna judge that person and say, "Oh, you're doing this and this, and it's causing this," but that's not even really the case.

It's, a lot of it is about being able to inform people, and part of what we do in developing leaders is, like, we want n- them to not only understand it themselves, what's going on behind the scenes, and that things are happening the way they're supposed to.

We want them to be able to spread that word to the other people, the other people in the community or wherever that aren't, that don't have that behind-the-scenes knowledge to know that there are reasons why they're doing it this way.

I am referring to a specific example.

At the end of the day, for be a good leader, you understand the humanity of all those that are around you.