Mm-hmm.

And consequently, started Hard Core and already had one foot up because those people were hikers.

They were hiking on the trail.

Who made that for them? And consequently, how do you make it better for the next hiker? So Hard Core was the Sunday and Monday after trail days, and it involved, most years, 100 hikers, 50 of the current year hikers, 50 returning hikers.

So in 15 years, um, we'd pick them up Sunday morning at Tabascus, take, have a, uh, a day pack in the trucks, and it would have sandwiches, water, an apple in, in the day pack.

That was your lunch.

Then you'd work all day.

Just tell us about Ray Hunt.