And what advice do you have for entrepreneurs who are still in school? What should they be doing?

Yeah, it's funny.

It's so true what you're saying, which is you do have all these new freedoms and degrees of latitude and the ability to let your mind expand and maybe take a breather.

And that is not my memory of college at all.

My memory of college is feeling like I never had enough time and I was always so busy and there was so much I wanted to do.

And I always felt like I was... a little behind on being the absolute best I could academically or taking full advantage of going to a place like Princeton, especially coming out of the public schools in Glassboro, where it was like 150 kids in a class and Just like a much smaller system, so fewer extracurriculars, fewer ways to get engaged.

You kind of had to make your own path if you were interested in bespoke stuff.

What made you say yes to taking a leap? You could have played it out at Insight for years to come.

Mm

... to leave Insight and start my own company, and that was in 2008.

And since then, I have done nothing but be, uh, the, the CEO of a tech company.

Uh, I've built three SaaS businesses.

The first two, RJMetrics and Stitch Data, were very nerdy data analytics businesses.

RJMetrics was, like, charts and dashboards and, uh, customer lifetime value analytics for e-commerce companies.

Stitch Data was a data infrastructure business that, uh, helped companies move data out of their SaaS tools into data warehouses, uh, like Snowflake and Redshift and BigQuery for the purpose of analytics.

Yeah

How do these products fit into your broader strategy and how significant could they become as additional revenue streams?

QuickCheck is already has been in production.

It's a product that we already have.

And we had we needed to scale up quite dramatically.

And we found that the current method just needs an antibody that we have to ask to be manufactured.

We found that the current method was suboptimal and we just couldn't scale up to the levels.

I mean, Saudi Aramco, you know, ordered 350 kits.

With new markets opening up and several technologies approaching commercialisation, what are the key milestones investors should be watching out for over the next year or so?

Was there for you still some cause for optimism, especially if we could get to the opening of the January window and maybe look to strengthen from that point on? You

know...

Getting to this point, I think there was, because there were so many people around all of us that were saying, that's enough, I've had enough of Jimmy, that European campaign, that's where it should have ended.

And perhaps they were right, but I still think, like you said, we were on this amazing unbeaten run in the league that just showed no signs of stopping.

And as you say, everyone else was taking points off Celtic, so why couldn't we? And then I think...

maybe the Celtic result did it for me because it got to that stage where you were just like, okay, I think I've had enough now.

The hope of going on after the Scottish Cup result, the hope was there and it just, the combined games you guys have already spoken about, the lack of any real preparation, it's just, it all just added up to crop really for lack of any better word it was just disheartening to go in every week not knowing what was going to happen there was no consistency as you say and it's just it got to the point where especially after seeing what everyone else had been doing to sell like what their manager was doing on social media various other things like that it's just that was our chance to really actually take it to them because before the Scottish Cup I mean realistically the Cup was technically a draw right it was technically a draw and And how long has that been now since we've taken three points off Celtic? Is it over 10 years? Is it as long as that?

I can't think of beating them in the league certainly while recording this.