Work your way up.

Uh, yeah.

And the, the right person has to speak to the right level.

There's no...

And it's, it's for us, it's nature, it's second nature.

But for the Western, [chuckles] it might take some time to understand.

But for us, speaking to the right level of hierarchy is, is, uh, very, very important.

Mm-hmm