It's, "You burnt my father's farm down, now I'm coming for you." And so Dooly finds himself as someone who's always acting the aggressor.

All right, we know for a fact that he was murdered in front of his wife and children.

That's, that's unquestioned.

That's actually in the records when they were given land after the American Revolution, uh, after they took Leesburg away from them and left them, basically left them on the road with nothing.

The state of Georgia gave them new land.

Um, but here's what, here's what I believe happened, and it's not a question of legend supplanting the truth.

It's the fact that the truth has been hidden until the bicentennial 50 years ago, and what is probably the truth is out there now.

Yeah.

Where is there gathering places in bags where you know they're probably over breakfast talking this over?

Oh, yeah, they're at the Cowboy Inn and Stage Stop, General Store.

You know, you've got your little stools up there, and the coffee pot's always on, and you rush in before you're going out to the field or out to check on livestock and stuff like that, and you have a quick cup of coffee, and you shoot the breeze, and, you know, things like that occur all the time, you know, and it doesn't even... occur with every day you know uh this you know what happened just i mean i'm been discussed you know the pipeline you know you got your brother-in-law called you and said this was going on your daughter's working at the store and she said this was going on your son-in-law is picking up your grandkids from uh swimming lessons at the same time you know And that's 150 mile round trip from Rollins.

Yeah.

But, you know, our hats need to be off to the first responders.

I mean, our local EMS, fire department, you know, when the gentleman torched the building again and went back in before the high-speed chase happened and... and just just the local input and these are the heroes you know are i can't say enough about carbon county sheriff's department you know uh tomorrow they're going to uh have a Oh, a consultation down there, you know.

So if there are people that are having some issues about this, they can show up there and get some, figure out why.

What do they think, you know? And that's quite an outreach for Wyoming, period, you know.

Tell us what level and what you're involved with there.

Well, a 31-year career in law enforcement for the third largest municipal agency in the United States, the one thing you learn to do is you learn to solve problems.

And they're not always problems with police work.

So I rose to the rank of lieutenant.

I did that for 17 years.

14 of those were in field operations.

But what I mean by problems is the last assignment I had was representing the city on about a $500 million communications project throughout LA County, which is 10 million residents and 88 agencies.

What are the issues that you think you could help with the state of Colorado?

For our listeners who don't know what you're about, explain Hard Yakka and how you came to this.

Well, look, as you're aware, Operation Hard Yakka now has been going for 18 years coming this July.

And we've been running these programs for young kids, young men with issues, social issues, if you want to call it that.

to try to get them onto the straight and narrow.

It is a military-style youth diversion training program, and there's a multitude of things that they do.

Yes, they do adventure-based stuff.

That's one of the concepts, one of the set of activities, abseiling, ropes courses, horse riding, you name it.

Explain that.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and there's a multitude of things that they do.

Yes, they do adventure-based stuff.

That's one of the concepts, one of the, the set of activities, abseiling, ropes courses, horse riding, you, you name it.

Um, and of course, then there's the military style, which is the drill, the room inspections, the, the everyday thing that a lot of the young ones would do when they join the military.

Um, and then of course we find out, going to find out after we start to break the, the respect and attitude, um, ideas that, um, we find out why they're doing what they're doing.

And some of the times it's pretty horrific, and other times they're just little pieces of, you know, um, waste of oxygen to some degree.

You said, "The problem I think, one of the main problems is everyone's given stuff too easily these days, and we've stopped the art of earning things." Explain that.

So, Bob, how is it then, in your opinion, that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander individuals experience significantly higher rates of recidivism, with remission rates often double those of non-Indigenous prisoners within 12 to 24 months of their release?

Look, I...

What I sometimes I will say to people personally and one-on-one or as a small group and so forth, I've got to be a little bit more diplomatic because otherwise, you know, what can happen? You can be called a racist.

You can be called biased.

You can be called sexist.

You can be called all these different names.

And what you mentioned before about the wokeism and so forth, you know, you can be hard with something and then all of a sudden you go on the court and you're defending yourself.

Anyway, sorry, keep going.

Is that happening in Hickory?

There's a 25% tariff on furniture, um, uh, from anywhere, anywhere outside the country, right? So it's an incentive, certainly an incentive to move to the US and get under that tariff umbrella.

But for the local, uh, surviving furniture companies, it hasn't really been a plus at all.

I mean, what they will say to me is that, first of all, their tariff bill has gone up enormously.

These are very low margin kind of businesses.

5% before taxes is considered a good year.

And then, uh, the way these furniture companies in general adjusted to China was to move into niche markets, uh, that the Chinese can't, uh, supply.

You know, we're having this conversation on the eve of a meeting between President T- Trump and, uh, China's Xi Jinping, and, you know, what are the things that would help a place like Hickory, and are those things going to be on the agenda, so to speak? Is that where America is thinking?

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(laughs)...

I've been here before.

(laughs) I've been here before, but I have no idea when.

(laughs) Uh, I wanna get to that point- Yeah.

... where I've forgotten where I've been.

That's, that's my, that's, yeah, that's a goal.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

So they didn't accomplish a hell of a lot, but, but at least kept things stable.

In the first Trump administration, where economically, clearly China was the target.

In this Trump administration, it's not clear at all that China is the target.

Everyone's the target.

I mean, this is, this is Trump at his most basic.

And Trump at his most basic does not see China as the singular existential threat to the United States.

You know, do they understand how the Chinese see the world and h- see themselves?