That's

right.

But 15 months of combat had just put adrenaline into my bones.

And there was a Wednesday night.

I was looking at this Excel spreadsheet.

There's a 275 guy who's over there.

And I was like, hey, man.

Is the future of ID.me is that there'll be IDs for your agentic agents?

What was the first thing? Was it guitar,

piano? Guitar was the first one.

And actually, you know, it's funny.

My dad loves to tell this story about...

So he got me a little travel guitar.

I don't know if you remember these, like in the back of...

I think it was Guitar Player Magazine.

song in there for sure.

So my first question to you is, how did you do that? Like, like, you know, what was the genius behind figuring those pieces out when you weren't a technologist? And then we'll do a part B of like, how should CEOs be thinking about it today?

There's so many layers to this, but maybe the heart of leadership is credibility.

And so I led 45 men in a platoon when I was 23 years old.

And what I obsessed about every day before taking over that platoon was how can I make myself worthy to lead men who are often 10 years older than me and have been doing it longer in a way that they would look at me as their leader.

And so I figured out Ranger Tab.

airborne.

I got my expert infantryman's badge with them, which actually has a 10% go rate.

Mm-hmm.

And I wanna jump into your, your first world championship experience, but the... before we do that, I wanna kind of, uh, set the table, so to speak, and, um, kind of, could you help explain the scoring system to everybody? And then after you do that, I'm gonna repeat my understanding because it's not a super straightforward thing for, for most people, at least people here that are used to, like, American scoring systems.

Yeah.

It's definitely a little complicated.

There's a lot to it, but...

So basically, just a brief overview, I'll just kinda...

It's a little bit different for every competition.

Like, sometimes every fish counts as the same, but I'm gonna do for, like, nationals and worlds, it's pretty, pretty strict.

So d- you, you had your lake session, and then what came after that?

What are you focused on going forward?

Sure.

So one of the biggest ones is glass half full and glass half empty.

So it's this presentation attack detection technology that is really useful when it comes to understanding if someone is who they're claiming to be or not.

There's a stat right now that... it's something like 95% of fraud in the industry comes from a device that's new to somebody's account.

And so some of these signals that you can, um, pick up can really help protect people from social engineering because, you know, while there's been a lot of, uh, attention, our space and like mobile driver's licenses, and I think Apple just announced, you can add, you know, any passport to your digital wallet.

That's great.

What gives you confidence that the good guys will be able to keep up with the bad guys?