So in the work you do with the donut economy and the group you have, what's top of mind for you there?

Well, the group grew out of a frustration with the municipality because it wanted to make even more growth with increasing the harbor, the activities in the industrial harbor in the city.

They wanted to increase it because they see workplaces, they see growth, they see more traffic.

It's the biggest harbor in Denmark when it comes to container traffic.

So that's what they wanted to do, but they didn't see all the damage it would make to the sea and to the environment because the way they could increase it would be out in the sea.

So they would take land and, yeah, they would grab resources from further out in Kattegat and that will damage also places where all the fish actually lives today and where they have... a place to actually be their self.

So that was the big issue with that.

No, you just go to where you used to get your petrol and you get your charge instead.