Our paths didn't just cross as... as teammates you know it started as a youth level back in under 21 days and we played S under 21s together do you have any memories of our clashes back in the day when we started out because I've got a few

Yeah, I do have memories, of course.

I mean, I just think about, I've just had those memories, knowing that obviously the Bulls is red, evident, you know.

I know that if I wasn't scrumming against yourself, I was scrumming against Kiers.

You know, you guys were kind of always coming at us, and I suppose we scrummed against each other when I was there for Munster.

You had Toulouse.

Top sides are always a challenge.

So from your point of view, someone that has always been very, like we say in France, exigent, you know, in terms of the way your preparation, your routines, what contributed to your success in this group?