So over to you, Dr. Ralph.

It's ongoing, that government involvement in the patient relationship.

And we're back to...

We haven't moved away from guidelines.

I mean, the entire chronic disease management program that TPs earn a lot of money out of is driven by guidelines.

Now, there is an assumption that these guidelines in this heavenly space of pure science, where the evidence has been nobly gathered by these people without vested interests, And all the guidelines are there to protect the patient and improve their health, et cetera, et cetera.

And all the other hypocrisy that goes along with modern medicine.

This

Do you accept that?

So you can tell me now, Alan, what was the excess deaths in 2020? I can't give you that stat, but I know...

I do know.

Share them with us.

Do people not die every day and every week and every year in Ireland? And do you not accept that they died from COVID? Do people not die from the flu every year in Ireland? And what is the difference? Or what was the difference? Or currently, what is the difference? There's still coronaviruses.

COVID is still there.

It's in this room.

What do you mean by that? What happened? What was the rebirth?