Like, I don't know, do you have that there?

No, it was actually called EvoStick.

Wow.

You know, and it kind of lived up to its name, evil, you know.

Sounds like it.

In a sense, because it actually took you away from your normal reality into a virtual reality.

Yeah, I grew up in a really rough neighbourhood and...

Do you remember the day you decided to get into recovery?

You can say whatever you want.

Okay.

Uh, obviously in hindsight looking back, um, because when you're at, you, you're in a place where you don't know what you don't know, you know, the, the same patterns keep repeating their, you know, uh, rearing its ugly head, especially if it's detrimental to your mental and emotional health.

So, um, I believe addiction is a byproduct of underlying issues which everybody in the world has, you know, like spiritual disease.

But, um, actually done a survey and, and 400 million people in the world suffer from the disease of addiction.

Yeah.

And talk about good and bad in nature, it's, it's like, you know, a conceptual idea like, uh, it's basically, uh, you know, the, the principle, uh, is based on an obsession in the mind, which is sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly for people over different periods of time.

That's crazy.