So, you know, it comes up to, you know, that, so how did Howard W ever get into it? What got him hooked? What got him started? Do you know the story?

I don't know.

I remember the horses that he started with.

One was way back in the day.

He had a horse named Sweetot.

He had a horse named, like I said, Doc Simon was one of his first horses.

I think it was just friends who just got him into the game.

was there something before that?

You're good

...

the true story off the top of my head.

I should have my sister come on.

She probably knows.

Um, but I think he just fell in love with the sport, and I think he just got involved, and then he started bringing other people involved.

He partnered with Aaron Spelling when Aaron Spelling was really hot doing all those television shows, and they had a bunch of good horses.

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