But we shouldn't underestimate it either.

No, well, one, I would just say on the side, I got to have beer with Abbie Hoffman many years ago when he was starting to organize on campuses around the CIA shortly before his death.

But he actually gave me his pin and he had what's so intelligent about the CIA.

So, no, I agree, Greg.

Tactics serve strategy.

Strategies serve goals and goals serve vision.

So I don't think that staying stuck in tactics helps anybody.

Yeah.

Wouldn't it be cool if there existed a super efficient transportation technology, one that could move people and freight, like 500 miles on a single gallon of gas? Or even better, what if it was able to be electrified, but it didn't rely on batteries? Imagine if every community in the country was connected by this super efficient electrified transport system.

Maybe it could even double as a backbone for a national super grid, transmitting renewable energy from windy places to not windy places, and rural places to urban centers.

It would have to be really, really big, even bigger than our 48,000-mile interstate highway system.

It turns out that the bones of this actually already exist.

The US has a 140,000-mile network that we started building before the Civil War.

It uses steel wheels on steel tracks, which has 10 times less friction and is way more efficient than rubber tires on pavement.

And speaking of this chat, I think we start right when I ask Bill how he got into this train thing to begin with.

I actually got into trains because I could see a strategic opportunity to build alliances.