So do you think, Bill or Taylor, is it harder for men to experience God or get to know our Heavenly Father when they're fatherless?

Initially, it is.

So there is a... there's a point where it changes, but it takes a long time for that change to happen.

And I've been through this with a lot of these guys and it's hard to feel the love of your father when you've never had a father.

And so when somebody says the father loves you, you're just like, I don't even know what you're talking about.

I don't know what that is.

I don't know what that feels like.

So what's, what's the alternative? How do we, how do we have life and have it more abundantly? I love what