Did you bring anything back with you from the film industry? 15 years there is a long time that you brought when you came with a new face or a new look at operating your business.

It was hard to make that transition back.

I'd really established my personal identity as a film producer and sort of let go of that and to go back into the insurance business and to let go of everything I'd learned, all the relationships I'd built.

I'd figured out how to navigate that system and get movies made.

And that took a lot of effort and energy and all those relationships.

And just to leave all that behind and walk away from all that was a difficult decision.

But what was interesting for me going through that experience was that a lot of what I had learned I was able to bring with me back into the insurance business that made me a better entrepreneur and leader in the insurance business.

It's less of that pressure and more of growing a healthy company and what's best for

Did you bring anything back with you from the film industry? 15 years there is a long time that you brought when you came with a new face or a new look at operating your business.

It was hard to make that transition back.

I'd really established my personal identity as a film producer and sort of let go of that and to go back into the insurance business and to let go of everything I'd learned, all the relationships I'd built.

I'd figured out how to navigate that system and get movies made.

And that took a lot of effort and energy and all those relationships.

And just to leave all that behind and walk away from all that was a difficult decision.

But what was interesting for me going through that experience was that a lot of what I had learned I was able to bring with me back into the insurance business that made me a better entrepreneur and leader in the insurance business.

It's less of that pressure and more of growing a healthy company and what's best for

But what was it that specifically that was like I got to go back and I'm going to do this? And also it's like what, what did you want to do differently than what you had done before to scratch whatever that itch was?

Yeah, well, you know, I went into the film business because I wanted to express my creativity ultimately and I have a creative itch to scratch and I...

But you know I, I think through the journey I realized that what you do does not define your creativity or your creative ability or ability to cr- you know express yourself creatively.

Uh, you don't have to be a painter or a singer or a film producer.

You know I love that Oscar Wilde quote, "My greatest work of art is the way I live my life." Uh, your life is your creative expression.

It is your art form.

I love to compare it to, you know, a sculpture.

Mm.