Is that true? Is it is it rare or does it happen?

No, it happens frequently.

It's not I wouldn't call it common.

I'll give you an example here in in Syracuse.

Forgive me.

I'm not sure.

I want to say it was about 15 years ago.

Has the advent of social media and all these apps and stuff, has it made prosecuting more difficult or easier?

Oh, well, it was just

tradition.

I was Aussie rules crazy from the day I was a little nipper.

And there was a whole pile of us kids growing up and having...

We'd go up to the local oval on Saturday afternoon.

And you don't see this today...

And that's why I had a deadly kick in that because we didn't need coaches for that, we coached ourselves.

It's not a

Where have you come from, mate?

Well, originally I lived in Albany as a young man and I was a fashion buyer.

for David Jones and women's high fashion shoes and men's and all that specialisation and I was there for 26 years and I was on a long service trip to Perth for many months and got bored after I'd visited all the friends, gone out with them and socialised and one day I was lying down on Scarborough Beach And I saw an ad in the paper, and out of sheer devilment not to work with them, I saw the Niagara Therapy ad looking for top people.

And, of course, Niagara deals with medically proven and deals with bad backs, legs, farmers, crook backs, all sorts of people, circulation problems.

It was in the hospitals in England and... quite famous.

So I went into their course just for a joke and the bloke that ran it at the time, old Ken Edwards, he's now passed on, God bless him, and Nicholas Duncan, his young manager who had just started, got trying to get me to work for them and I said, oh no, I'm going back home to Albany, I'm a fashion buyer, etc., etc., But I was impressed.

Anyway, I got halfway home to Cogena and there was a telephone box there and I make split-second decisions and I just rang them and said, yeah, I'll work for you.

That's not a good

So what do you think, Bill? I mean, you know, are you looking at a lot of international plays because...

Yeah, we think it's a little bit more of a pause, but there's no question there is a lot to digest.

We've got now an energy crisis.

We've got supply chain disruptions.

These are things that are weighing on the international trade.

But the way we look at it and the way we think any investor should look at it is to look at the earnings power, look at the valuation, look at these things over a complete market cycle.

So if you're willing to go out five to seven years, which is a reasonable time horizon, we think there's some really good things happening at a company level.

I mean, I know, Bill, you're looking at both at home and abroad, right? So what do you think are some best bets how to go about this, Bill?