Oh, okay

... worked with the other professions.

The members of the public serve a, a very important role on the board as well.

They're consumers of services, but they're not professionals that are related to the, those professions regulated by the, by the board.

So would it be good to have an independent board of behavior analysts? I think it's less critical now than...

Well, I think it's less critical, other people [laughs] might think it's, it's critical than I originally thought it would be given how things have operated, and that deferring to the experts from the professions when it comes to issues that are most, you know, appropriately answered by those professionals are something that I'm no longer worried about because it all works in a way that you would hope it did.

One of the things that would be an elimination of barriers is if we had rather than a statute that names the BACB's criteria at one point in time, but to rather specifically talk about the BACB certification process and the credentials of the BCBA-D, the BCBA, the RBT, the BCaBA as those things that we just follow whatever it is the current guidelines are from the BACB because then we wouldn't need to r- always be updating things whenever a change is made, and we expect there to be changes every three to five years.

Mm-hmm

Hmm

... maybe more so an extension of Watson's behaviorism, but even more so a stark departure from the methodological behaviorisms that Skinner defined as the, um, the methods of psychology at the time when he was developing his ideas.

This way of taking a hypothesis within our everyday language as a means of taking into consideration what is the cause of this individual's behavior.

Let's say we are working with an individual who's aggressiveAnd we come to the conclusion that, well, they are aggressive because they're frustrated.

If we accept that frustration causes aggression as, um, as a locution that describes accurately the cause of the individual's behavior, it's a somewhat arrogant way of taking what the vernacular brings to the table rather than considering what are the environmental circumstances that have shaped and established that individual's aggressive behavior because the circumstances that have led to them being aggressive are that it either makes the world less aversive, uh, or it is producing positive reinforcers.

And for us, it's incumbent upon us to tap into what are those historical variables that lead to the aggressive behavior rather than accepting that viewpoint that frustration is the cause and that emotion is a causal factor rather than emotion is something to be interpreted.

Okay, great.

I'd rather challenge, uh, the students that I'm teaching to come up with something that is, uh, w- what is a non-physical thing is generally what I say.