Mm-hmm.

So therefore, you don't have the desire, you don't see the need to go out, to make effort, to invest time and energy to make friends.

And this is, I think, the most important reason why young adults and teenager students feel isolated and can live in isolation for a long time without noticing there's anything wrong.

So as a result, they end up in quite a deep and profound sense of loneliness, which manifests itself as depression or sometimes, uh, identification with some quite extreme fanatic ideas and et cetera.

So that is number one.

Second reason, I think, is what we call this neoliberal ideology, which dominated the world after 1990s, is what make middle class and working class also more lonely.

Why? The idea is that, okay, you know, you are your own masters, and you can do anything as long as you work hard.

[laughs] Yeah.