This program, Spellers, and I've seen a ton of it out there, what's the origination of it like where who was the first person that decided to let's try this thing for the audience i mean it

technically started i believe in australia with fc which is not a practice that's used anymore because it was so um highly put down although there is some benefit especially for cerebral palsy with fc But it then became very big with Soma who started RPM.

And then after Soma, Elizabeth Vossler started Spelling to Communicate.

And then after that, Dawn Marie Gavin and Dana Johnson came up with Spellers.

The understanding of it is to first deeply understand whole body apraxia.

I actually listened to one of your shows with the exercise people.

And you had even mentioned this because, A lot of our kids have whole body apraxia.

So that's why I was super excited to talk to you about it.