At what point along the way did you start to get the itch that maybe something entrepreneurial would be in your future?

Yeah, you know, I think like there was an inflection point for me and that I felt that philanthropy was a valuable, low risk, alternative revenue resource.

And yet I was talking to a lot of CEOs and other executives who thought that philanthropy was a social endeavor.

They thought it was lightweight.

They thought it was nice to have.

It was being used for kind of the cherry on top instead of for things that were core and And I looked at philanthropy and I just perceived that we were going to have a much larger role going forward than a lot of health care executive leadership yet saw or acknowledged.

And so there is this crazy Paul Harvey radio show, which, you know, some people on this call are going to be too young to even know who that is.

What does that look like today if I were interviewing some of your consultants, for example?