When it comes to the idea of wandering or exile, can you speak a little bit to the Jewish tradition of that and what is in the history, and explain a little bit of that concept?

Sure.

So I think most people are, uh, if they have read the Torah in Jewish tradition, the Old Testament, some version, um, of a scholarly text, they're familiar with, ah, the Israelites wandering in the desert because they were exiled, uh, from their homeland, um, and not having a, a safe place to land.

They were enslaved in Egypt, and the Passover story that we celebrate and, uh, retell in Judaism is really this historical reckoning that we have every year to remind ourselves that history is now.

Uh, in the sense that we were, we had exile experience and a lack of welcome in our history, and that it is important for us to remember that now because it keeps showing up again in modern times.

So I think even just in our faith tradition, the idea of echoing that throughout every single year when we tell the Passover story at Seder is something that we just do as part of our religious tradition.

And even specifically in terms of how Jews have found themselves in modern history, obviously the Holocaust is the example many people are the most familiar with, but there were ma- many places throughout Europe and throughout Latin America and elsewhere, and here in this country, where Jews were not welcome, did not have that open door, did not have that experience of being received with open arms.

... to American society.