And why is that?

Well, we need morning light, which is optimized by Standard Time, to be at our best.

We have to, uh, align our brains with the outside world, and that's what morning light does.

So when we don't get that morning light, particularly in the dark, uh, mornings of the winter, uh, which will, would happen under permanent, uh, daylight saving time, it can really mess with our, our health, our weight, our cardiovascular function, our mood, um, not to mention the impact on kids who are trying to get to school in the morning.

Uh, they could be very, very sleepy.

So we, uh, from a health and safety standpoint, we really advocate to not go to this, uh, permanent daylight saving time.

Perhaps they can, you know, go outside and, uh, and do sport, for example.

Yeah, I mean, like anything else, there are trade-offs, and sure, I mean, I would certainly appreciate having more light on both ends, uh, in, in the dark winters.

Hmm

... they're unconscious.

But if they're in that lighter stage, they remember, "Oh, yeah, I was snoring as I went to sleep," or, "I saw some images as I went to sleep." We can give people things to remember, and sometimes they'll remember things even though their brain activity looks like they're in light stages of sleep.

So it really is a very interesting stage to be in.

And then as we're waking up from sleep, we sometimes will wake up abruptly, but more often than not we'll, we'll, we'll go back into lighter stages and then, then fully wake up.

Um, so there is... you're absolutely right.

There's different stages of sleep.

so, so that-

Mm-hmm

... that melatonin has gotten a bad rap and people are concerned about it, and it, it kind of makes sense.

But what I worry about is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

In, in many, multiple studies, melatonin has probably been studied more than any other medicine, uh, for sleep or supplement for sleep.

And in many studies it works.

In fact, it really works well with very few side effects in certain populations like autism and ADHD.

And almost 80%, or up to 80% of kids with autism can have sleep problems, so it's a game changer if you can help those kids sleep, because then they have fewer meltdowns, uh, they have less aggression, they can stay in school, uh, the parents aren't waking up at all hours of the night.

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But we think it can start from the ground up with our own little actions that can make a difference.

Yeah.

I just wanted to add and maybe elaborate on your specific question, Zach, about the idea that when we protest or resist, that it can add an element of that anger and that contempt that can then cause others on the other side maybe to react and then you start getting into this us versus them.

I definitely view myself as predominantly a bridge builder, as does Doug, and I think that really motivated us to write this book.

However, I've learned through my interactions with a lot of different people since the book came out, and being a liberal myself, leaning more to the left, I definitely see the the anger and I think it's important for bridge builders like us to realize that it's hard when people feel that the world is on fire, right? That the world is burning down to understand the work we're doing and embrace some of what Doug is saying and what you write about so eloquently in your book and what I truly believe in my heart which is that if we're going to get the fire to go out, if we're going to stop the fire, we need to start with hope.

We need to start with civility.

We need to start with dignity and respect.

It's a,