I love to start by having you share a messy time for you in your career and share a little bit about what came from that.

Yeah.

It's funny thinking about and preparing for our conversation today.

I was thinking, what were some of the messy moments? I recalled a lot of messy moments.

And I think that's kind of the beauty of looking back at your career and, and, acknowledging them and being proud of what you learned from them.

I think one, while there were many in the beginning and many toward the end of my time in the more corporate world, there's something right in the middle, funny enough.

It's when I decided to move to New York from Detroit and leave the world I built here in Detroit to go somewhere that I craved to be.

And I'm going to reach out and ask for it, right? With people who will have it, right? Share another time where you felt challenged and what that brought.