Yeah, yeah, yeah

... thing, isn't it? But actually it's, it's only England's cesarean rates, um, that have increased.

So I think that does show very much so how things are changing so much recently, and I, I personally, I've got my own kind of ideas on, on why, um, why that is.

So the first one is antenatal education.

So since COVID, I don't know what it's like locally to you, but from what I see locally to me, and obviously across for the amount of women we speak to on social media, antenatal education for group classes has pretty much gone to nothing.

So before COVID, the NHS offered group classes, but it, it doesn't anymore.

I don't know if it's the same for you, Pip, in your area, and you hear the same, but it's like that type of ed- uh, antenatal education is, is very much dropping.

... no time for anything else once you've gone through those things, right?