yeah and i'll go first then going back to the to the start of two sisters accounting was it your idea or jessie's how and why did you come to set up your own accounting practice and get your first first clients

i mean horrifyingly it was actually my sister's husband's idea which is So it all happened over my sister and her husband having a drink in a pub outside of London Bridge Station and All me and Jesse did back then was whinge about our jobs.

We both just working 40 hours a week.

We'd both finish our work by about lunchtime on a Wednesday.

And then you just sat there and you have to look busy and you have to fill an extra sort of whatever it was, 16, 19 hours of days.

And we were both just bored off our brains, miserable.

Just it wasn't.

A lot of it is really the vibe that we get from people, if

No, no, that, sorry, that you think is ugly but that you love.

Oh, wow.

Um.

[laughs] I've got public art in my brain.

I, I think sometimes, yeah, public art can be a love/hate thing, and yeah, I, we had a public artwork years ago, um, which was a hand reaching to the sky with one finger raised, right? And it got called the Hoppawadi, um, [laughs] like that was just a vernacular kind of name that happened, and, um, obviously that wasn't the title of the artwork.

But it does sort of speak to this way that public art can reach into a public imagination.

And, um, yeah, unfortunately, that public artwork was in public space, but it was privately owned.

If you haven't noticed them before, maybe you don't even know what these boxes are.

No, no, that, sorry, that you think is ugly but that you love.

Oh, wow.

Um [laughs] I've got public art in my brain.

I, I think sometimes, yeah, public art can be a love/hate thing, and yeah, I ...

We had a public artwork years ago, um, which was a hand reaching to the sky with one finger raised, right, and it got called the Hop a Wadi, um [laughs] like that was just a vernacular kind of name that happened, and o- obviously that wasn't the title of the artwork, but it does sort of speak to this way that public art can reach into a public imagination.

And, um, yeah, unfortunately, that public artwork w- was in public space, but it was privately owned.

It was part of a, a development, and then when the new building owner, you know, it, when the building ownership changed hands, the new owner got rid of the artwork and commissioned a new artwork because of that.

If you haven't noticed them before, maybe you don't even know what these boxes are.

Can you break down what true enrichment looks like and why it's critical for a dog's mental and emotional health?

Yeah, I think when people hear enrichment, they think they need to buy expensive toys or sign a dog up for agility classes, which are great.

You know, if your dog likes them.

But it can honestly be as simple as changing how you walk your dog.

So I don't know if you've ever heard of this, but there are things called sniffaries.

And you basically take your dog on a sniffing safari.

So instead of a brisk walk where you're pulling your dog past every interesting smell, you let them lead and sniff whatever they want.

How about Beth? Like any takeaway from this conversation? I mean, you you gave us a lot of like good things, good vibes and, you know, how how you built Toliver's.