Is it still the same approach as when SDI was originally set up or have things developed and moved on?

There has been, I think the principles persist around like agency and ownership.

But of course, with digitalization, some affiliates now collect.

So initially, we have...

I guess now three processes of data collection.

There's one which we call profiles, which is really understanding the settlement.

So the demographics, the available services, the opportunities and the challenges.

So as research director for community knowledge, what are you hoping that the process, the project achieves around the space?

So perhaps you could tell us a bit more about what that means in your work.

So, yeah, thank you, Tom.

I would reflect on the way SGI is working in a co-productive process in two ways.

There's the knowledge production point, and then there's the delivery uh uh point and there is a connection between the two i think the early uh collaborations between sdi and uh universities was really around um ensuring that the knowledge that communities were producing could be what's the word uh validated because at that point uh even poor communities were not expected to know anything.

The local authorities would question the data they were collecting about themselves.

So a lot of our intention and also, I suppose, justification for working with universities was really from a very, I suppose, selfish reason that we needed university resources researchers to help us authenticate the knowledge that communities were producing.

And that led to a process around where we are now co-creating.

What do UK universities need to do better to be better partners, particularly to achieve these goals of urban poverty reduction and social change?