What, what was your experience prior to, um, going into the consulting world?

[lips smack] Oh, excellent.

Uh, let's see.

Well, now, well, I was born in...

No. [chuckles] Okay, we won't go quite back that far.

But, um, I come out of the automotive industry, um, tier one supplier to basically domestic, US domestic and international, um, automotive, uh, companies.

Um, started my career in the automotive world in, as a quality manager.

[chuckles] You were very young back then.