Yeah.

It's interesting to me because I feel like we've gone backwards, but not really backwards.

Because when I was born in 1960, Cookville was a very progressive area.

I think having a university here probably helped.

But I also was lucky to grow up in a family where I was sheltered from some of that because my parents were very inclusive, very open.

There were things, Joanne Clark started the International Students Foundation.

Foundation at Tech.

What do you think's happening in our education system in Tennessee?

So have you had a situation that you can think of that was particularly challenging because trees are not always in the most convenient places?

Oh, that is so true.

And, you know, honestly, in the city of Pittsburgh, you know, this is incredibly challenging.

pilly houses close together.

I'm telling you, I actually just went out and was taking a look at a situation.

These are houses, we work with a lot of non-profits, so we do work with organizations that are trying to renovate deteriorated homes and bring them back to life for low-income housing.

And so, a lot of times we're walking into backyards that have not been cared for.

figure that out