And did you have did you have friends and peers who were doing the same thing or was it more of a solitary thing?

Well, I was originally I went to law school and then after law school, I got married and we moved to Tallahassee, Florida, and we began.

collecting for an apartment in Tallahassee and there were lots of places in northern Florida that still had antique shops and northern Florida and southern Georgia or connected and there are a lot of places in the southern part of georgia that that had great old antique shops like were common in the 1960s and 70s so that's really how i got my initial start and then after i got out of the service and moved back to Huntsville and began the practice of law.

My wife and I at the time became acquainted with Mary Felice Farrell, who was a legendary Southern dealer in Gallatin, Tennessee.

And we collected through her for a number of years and Through her, I met a group of dealers in Nashville.

Then later in my life, after we divorced, I met and became very close friends with Sumter Pretty.

And through Sumter, I met John Bivens and Anne McPherson.

Do you eat off of it? Do you display it?