So tell me how you did that.

Yeah, very hard.

Very hard.

Because for me, the first step in that, because of my own journey and how emotive and triggering it was, was actually doing my own work on that.

So really making sure that I checked in with myself and I wasn't going to project my own insecurities, my own fears onto him because I was looking at him and going, he's a blank canvas.

Don't give him your stuff.

So that was kind of definitely the first thing for me.

So if there's a mum or dad listening now, like who feels they may have failed their child, what would you say to them?