And, you know, I just want to be able to continue to be the best I possibly can in my role.

I actually still have a photo of us when we got back from South Africa.

I don't know if you remember.

We took a photo at the airport and I looked like a little baby.

And, you know, a lot of the time we look back at players that have come through the Indigenous programs and what their journey's been like.

for you as an Indigenous coach coming through those programs? And so starting with those programs, going into the NEFL and all those things, has it been different, do you think, to what players go through through our Indigenous programs? Has it been a bit of a different mentality going through that as a coach and how you've seen things, or how have you seen that path sort of play out?

But is he in Brownlow form, guys?

That's what I want to talk about.